In a conversation between Jay and Vidal, Jay criticizes the Democratic Party's leadership for their support of the Patriot Act and the Iraq War. Vidal responds by questioning the visibility of these leaders and suggests that while there are commendable individuals within the party, such as Dennis Kucinich and Senator Leahy, they are not the ones currently driving the agenda.

Vidal expresses skepticism about the potential for meaningful oversight from the Democratic leadership. He acknowledges the presence of good people in Congress but ultimately lacks optimism regarding their influence or action in the context of national security and governance.